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IT’S SO EASY. . . METAL SLUDGE EXCLUSIVE: For the first time, here is a detailed interview with Kevin Lawrence, Axl Rose’s first-ever guitarist in a 1983 band called Rapidfire

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IT’S SO EASY

METAL SLUDGE EXCLUSIVE: For the first time, here is a detailed interview with Kevin Lawrence, Axl Rose’s first-ever guitarist in a 1983 band called Rapidfire.
By Gerry Gittelson

Metal Sludge Editor at Large

 

LOS ANGELES – Axl Rose is among the biggest rock stars in the world with an estimated net worth of $150 million, and meanwhile, guitarist Kevin Lawrence from Rose’s first-ever band called Rapidfire is struggling just like the rest of us, a former internet techie who laid to rest his dreams of rock fame right around the time Guns N’ Roses was skyrocketing in the late 1980′s with “Appetite For Destruction,” one of the biggest-selling albums in history.

But did you know Rose had recorded a five-song demo with Rapidfire in 1983? After a series of false starts that included lawyers going back and forth in addition to a failed kickstarter campaign, the Rapidfire tapes are scheduled to be released Nov. 1 in the form of a worldwide CD and internet streams.

There has been a few press releases about Rapidfire through the years, plus a sample from a couple of songs has more than 100,000 hits on youtube, but in this Metal Sludge exclusive, Lawrence talks for the first time about what it was like to be in Axl Rose’s first band.

Grab a seat, shut the door, and tune in attentively. This is going to be good.

 

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Rapidfire 1983

 

METAL SLUDGE: OK, tell me about the first time you met Axl Rose.

We were hanging out in front of the Troubadour, a club in Hollywood, and he was outside smoking a cigarette. I came out for some air, and he and we just started talking. He was cool-looking, and he asked if I was in a band, and I said, “Yeah, but we’re looking for a singer.” He said he was a singer, and I asked if had a P.A., and he said yeah, so I told him to come audition. He came out, and we hired him on the spot.

AR_KL_Sept_2014_222SLUDGE: How old were you guys?

I think 19 or 20. I was 19, and he was a year older.

SLUDGE: Was he as good as he would eventually be in Guns N’ Roses, or was his voice still developing?

He was good. Like I said, we hired him on the spot, but who could ever foresee that kind of popularity? I would say he was definitely one of the best singers in the whole Troubadour scene, and we got him.

SLUDGE: Tell me about his personality. What was he like back then?

Very mellow. I knew him as Bill Bailey. I don’t know Axl Rose.

SLUDGE: How long were you together?

Like two months. We played a couple of parties and played Gazzarri’s a bunch of times, and we even won battle of the bands there. We got good very quickly, and then I got us into the studio. I had some money, and I paid for it all. All the songs were already written on sheets, and we taught Axl the melodies, and he was actually a pleasure to be in a band with. We would practice and hand out flyers, and he always showed up on time. He was not the way people would think he would be.

SLUDGE: What about hanging out? Would you have fun and scam on chicks together and that sort of stuff?

Not really. It was more about the rock and roll. He had a girlfriend, and I didn’t, so I was more the one whoring it up back then,

SLUDGE: What were the names of songs you recorded?

“Ready to Rumble,” “All Night Long,” “Closure,” “On The Run,” and “Prowler.”

SLUDGE: Three clichés out of five, not bad.

Ha

SLUDGE: Which was the best song?

I would say the two best songs were “Ready to Rumble” and “Closure.”

Axl_Sept_1_2014_ASLUDGE: So what happened?

We were doing regular gigs at Gazzarri’s and stuff, and our image was pretty much early-80s with jeans and spandex and denim and leather and stuff, and then one night Axl showed up with Izzy Stradlin looking like the “Welcome to The Jungle” guy. He had died his white leather jacket pink, his hair was everywhere with like four cans of aqua net, and I was all, “What’s this about?” He said it was his new image. We did the gig and had an amicable chat. It’s not a salacious story. I was like, “This is the direction I want to go, and you can do your thing, and we’ll do our thing,” and we shook hands, and that was it.”

SLUDGE:  Did you see again much through the years?

Not really. He hung with a different Hollywood crowd than I did. I don’t want to say the wrong thing, but I wasn’t involved with what he and Izzy where involved with.

SLUDGE: I guess I can read between the lines on that one.

The weird thing was, I saw him like 15 years ago at Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica, and he was like, “Hey Kevin,” like we hadn’t missed a beat. People started kind of gathering around, so eventually he said, “I’ve got to go,” but we were always amicable. The only problems we have had were about releasing this Rapidfire CD, but that was all speaking through lawyers, and for all I know, he probably doesn’t even give a shit and barely even knows what’s going on.

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SLUDGE: Through the years, were you envious of Guns N’ Roses?

I felt bad, sure, but I was happy for him. I would have liked to be part of it. Slash was a better guitar player than me, but maybe I could have played bass.

SLUDGE: At the time, when Axl left, did you keep going? What happened?

I took over the singing, and we added a second guitar player for a little while, but we didn’t call it Rapidfire anymore. There were a revolving door of musicians, and I ended up moving to the San Fernando Valley.

SLUDGE: Why have you waited so long to release the Rapidfire tapes? Why didn’t you do it when Guns N’ Roses was so huge, or shortly afterward?

I wasn’t out to ride his coat tails. It was just a demo that we did, and to be honest, I didn’t know I still had it. Then one day I was moving, and I opened a box, and there it was. I was like, “Oh man, this is going to be great.” I got it digitized, which was really hard to do from an eight track reel to reel, but I did it and remixed it in a studio.

SLUDGE: Does it sound good?

It does. It sounds fantastic. It really does, and I am my biggest critic.

 

10656489_864532736890240_1789192365_nGuns N’ Roses fans feast your eyes on this and take a quick listen below

 

 

SLUDGE: Nowadays, when you tell people the story of you were in Axl’s first band, what is the reaction?

Most of the time, people just say “No way.” But I have no reason to lie. My lawyer has kept everything very hush-hush and secret. The reason I never released it back in the day is because it was just wasn’t my thing. I wasn’t part of Guns N’ Roses, and like I said, I didn’t want to ride his coat tails, but when I found it again, I thought to myself: “I have to release this.” You know why? Because it’s more a piece of history, and it happens to be good, too. It’s a piece of history, and anyone who is an Axl Rose fan or a Guns N’ Roses fan, then this is truly a must-have for their collection.

SLUDGE: Oh by the way, did you ever go to a Guns N’ Roses concert?

No, I’ve never seen them.

Axl_Sept_1_2014_BSLUDGE: You’re kidding me. Why not?

I dunno. I guess I like AC/DC better.

SLUDGE: Tell me more about Axl. It feels like you’ve been holding back.

Like I said, he was great to be in a band with. He always showed up on time. I had no complaints with him at all. Between all the members in the band, he and I actually hung out the most because the others all had girlfriends.

SLUDGE: Do you have any specific memories at all? Anything the Sludge readers would really enjoy?

I remember Axl and I sitting on a rooftop in Westwood, talking about when we were gonna be rock stars on day, and the one really specific memory I have is he said that all he wanted was just a pair of snake-skin boots. So like I said, he and I kind of hung out in Hollywood, while the other guys all had different lives. He and I were really dedicated.

SLUDGE: What was his favorite food, his favorite place to eat?

God, I don’t remember.

SLUDGE: What about drinking. Did you guys drink much?

Never really knew him to get drunk or really saw him drinking much. I never saw him intoxicated. He always seemed in control. I wish I could give you a more salacious story, but the truth is, he was really business-like. He did gigs, we hung out a bit, he came to rehearsal, and he was always gung-ho. I think he liked being in the band, but I also think that ultimately he wanted to be in a band with Izzy. I mean, even through we were in a band together, we were more like casual friends than best friends.

AR_KL_Sept_2014_2SLUDGE: Where did he live at the time? In Hollywood or the Valley?

I think he kind of lived from place to place, doing the couch tour or living with his girlfriend, Gina.

SLUDGE: How did Axl get from place to place back then? Did he drive or did he take a bus or get rides?

I think he borrowed his girlfriend’s car most of the time.

SLUDGE: What kind of car was it?

I’m not sure, but I think it was a Toyota Corolla or something like that,  a little white cracker-box thing.

SLUDGE: Tell me more about Gina. What was her last name?

Not sure. I don’t remember.

(EDITOR’S NOTE; Her last name is Siler)

SLUDGE: Was she super beautiful?

She was cute.

SLUDGE: What was Axl’s response to the Rapidfire demo? Did he like it?

I don’t think he ever heard it, honestly, because we broke up three days after doing the recording.

When I saw him years later, he was like, “Hey, can I get one of those tapes?” He gave me his phone number, and I called him, but he never called back.

SLUDGE: Really? Do you still have his number?

No, I didn’t keep it. Like I said, this was years ago.

SLUDGE: What about pot? Did he smoke pot?

I don’t think so.

MARC_GNR_book_frontSLUDGE: Did you smoke pot?

Yeah, I smoked pot, but never with him.

SLUDGE: By the way, how well did you know Izzy?

Well enough not to get along with him.

SLUDGE: Why? Did you think he was going to steal Axl?

I knew he would try. I knew it was coming. I knew that eventually that Izzy’s plan was to be in a band together with him.

SLUDGE: Tell me more about Izzy, specifically why you didn’t like him.

He was just rude, but I don’t want to dig myself into a hole here. I don’t want to trash anyone. Izzy and I just never became friends. Let’s put it that way.

SLUDGE: Do you have any more details at all about Axl? Anything?

There really isn’t that much more to tell. It was almost like the video from “Welcome to The Jungle,” when he first arrives in L.A., just a farm kid with piece of straw in his mouth. He wasn’t timid, but he definitely wasn’t Axl Rose yet. He was Bill Bailey.

SLUDGE: Was he fun to hang out with? Did you enjoy his company?

I did enjoy his company because he was really professional, a pleasure to work with. We were from different places. He was from Indiana.

SLUDGE: I know, but to me, when you’re 19 years old and in a band together, a guitar player and a singer would seem to know EVERTHING about each other, even things like how much ketchup he puts on his French fries. I guess I just have a different view of what a young band is like.

Well, maybe that’s why we never made it. Maybe you’re right. I would have liked that. I certainly didn’t get that out of the other members, either. Basically, Axl and I would see each other at the Troubadour. That was our social hub, and that’s where we would meet a lot of the time. It was like, “OK, I’ll meet you at the Troub at 8 o’clock to pass out flyers.”

AR_KL_Sept_2014_3SLUDGE: Was Axl in your house?

Yes, he’s been to my house.

SLUDGE: Where did you live?

Brentwood.

SLUDGE: Oh, were you a rich kid?

No.

SLUDGE: Did he ever sleep over?

No, he would just come and hang out and do whatever, then he would head home and we’d meet at the Troubadour or whatever. I guess I don’t have anything that exciting about him, and I’m not going to embellish or lie.But the real truth is, when Axl got with Izzy, they just had a different vibe, and I wasn’t about to get into the shit they were doing.

SLUDGE: Let’s just say it: You mean heroin?

Well, Axl never did heroin in front of me, and I decline to continue this line of questioning.

SLUDGE: OK.

You know, the first gig Axl and Izzy did together after we had parted ways, I was there at the Troubadour. It was me and my bandmate Chuck and two waitresses in the whole place, and that was it.

SLUDGE: So it was a slow climb for what would become Guns N’ Roses.

Yeah.

SLUDGE: Now just to back up a little bit, you recorded the demo tape on May 25, 1983, and you played a gig on May 28 and broke up after that gig, so there was just three days in between, right?

Yeah, we just decided to head in different directions and split up. He was like, “I’m going to play with Izzy,” and it was totally amicable.

Cathouse_Block_SwagSLUDGE: Now, where had you recorded the demo?

At a place called Telstar in Burbank.

SLUDGE: Who was the producer.

Me. We had an engineer named Phil Singher who just did what I told him to do.

SLUDGE: Did the engineer make it big?

Not that I know of. The only reason I remember his name is because his name is on the demo. It was just a little eight-track studio. The whole thing cost $200.

SLUDGE: Was that a lot of money to you at the time?

Fuck yeah it was, but I wanted a demo. We had a good singer, but he quit, so I never made copies of it.

SLUDGE: By the way, did Axl ever meet your parents?

No, he didn’t meet my parents. My parents never came to my gigs.

SLUDGE: Really? Why not?

My dad was just against the whole thing, and my mom, I think she came one time to one gig.

SLUDGE: Did you resent the fact that your parents weren’t more supportive?

Sure I did. I remember later on, my dad pointed to Axl Rose and said, “See? If you would have just kept on hanging out with him, you would have made it.”

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  • ElectricGypsy

    dude is right, not that exciting or fascinating.

    gotta be weird to have been that close to somebody who made it so big.

  • NihonFan

    The image of the demo tape says the guitarist’s name is Kevin Schwartz. I guess he changed his name at some point. Either that or it was a different guy.

  • Rapidfire

    Changed my name many years ago. Around the same time Bill Bailey did.

  • stymie

    Whoa! They got 666 ‘likes’ on Bookface, Scary!
    Seriously though, cool interview!

  • Kushion

    He got it wrong about Axl doing heroin and he has said in interviews that he wasn’t doing that while his bandmates Slash and Duff were destroying the band and themselves to the point of no existence.

  • Kushion

    What year did Kevin find the demo?

  • Rocky Stradlin

    Talking about “close to somebody who made it so big”. A sad story about GN’R. Back in the 80′s their ORIGINAL bass player (as well as L.A Guns) Ole Beich, killed himself after see how big was GN’R (depression). Search about it.

  • pieindasky

    “Interesting that Axl never pursued getting a copy. Axl was very cool to Kevin when he saw him again yet Kevin now seems to be trying all angles to sell out Axl. Kevin seems desperate and goes too far. He didn’t have to give the picture that Axl and Izzy were fucked up on drugs to be why they stop hanging out.
    Axl wasn’t known to be checked out on hard drugs and everyone then was heavy into alcohol. Why not assume he encountered Axl after a night of drinking? I’m sure Kevin was in the same state as everyone else.

    I had plenty of friends who later admitted being heroin addicts whether snorting or stiffing. You find out later. It’s not like you can see them in passing and figure out what they did without seeing a pattern. Addicts try to hide their addiction.”

  • pieindasky

    He told people found it in the last few years. He says he wouldn’t have rid on Axl’s coat-tails if he found it sooner. Really?? I hope so. His actions now are not above board. He is looking to get a headline and trying to certain insinuate things.

  • Jesse Bland

    It’s clear that he is holding back information and opinions. Lawyers have gotten in the way of this release for a while and I am sure he doesn’t want to ruffle feathers of someone much richer than he, and losing the whole battle at once. He’s being cautious for good reason.

  • Danny Bigelow

    Rapidfire – named after the Judas Priest song? The clip of the song does sound like Halford.

  • Lynda Rose

    Kickstarter failed and now the release is worldwide????

  • Lynda Rose

    he is actually using Axl’s name to make money…

  • Rapidfire

    I never saw Bill or Jeff do ANY drugs. I have said that in virtually every interview. Im sorry if your reading between the lines was wrong. And I was totally clean.

  • Rapidfire

    Man I don’t know what article you were reading.

  • Rapidfire

    Digital doesnt entail spending any more money on this like CDs would.

  • Rapidfire

    Jesse gets it.

  • Rapidfire

    Lynda, I advise that you dont buy, pirate or listen to the CD. Wouldnt want to betray Bill by hearing a nice piece of history from the early archives of a great singer that took money to make.

  • Rapidfire

    That’s REALLY sad but I understand his frustration. Sad story.

  • Kushion

    Hello Kevin, What year did you find the demo?

  • Kushion

    Did lawyers get involved because you were trying to sell it using the name “Axl Rose” instead of the rightful “Bill Bailey”?

  • Kushion

    Thanks for responding Kevin. Okay, cool. It was the interviewer here that read between the lines. I’m sure all of you guys were heavy drinkers at that age. Thanks for sharing the good memories.

  • Sam

    That is all fine and good Kevin, but it doesn’t deter from the fact that you are riding coat tails, you are attempting to exploit a past relationship and you are trying to make some money off the GNR name. You need to face that fact that all of us see and admit that a spade is a spade.

    If GNR hadn’t made it big, nobody would have any interest in Rapidfire garage band tapes or recordings, don’t decieve yourself.

  • Sam

    So are you still planning to exploit GNR by including your special “picture package”?
    Nobody would be interested in Rapidfire if it werent for the GNR connection- you are a user,plain and simple.

  • Sam

    Oh I think we all “get it” you are trying to make some quick bucks off of a former association so that is why you insinuate things in the interview you have no way of proving. Dont think anyone was an Angel in the 80′s including you.

  • Sam

    Ole Beich had massive addiction problems with a few substances, nobody “makes” someone else become an addict or an alcoholic, that is all on the addict or alcoholic themselves. You choose to use.

  • Sam

    Yes he first tried to market it as theaxlrosetapes.com
    This guy had no morals or integrity.

  • Sam

    Yes he is- just another beggar and hanger-on parasite.

  • Rapidfire

    Just want to keep the record straight. So much misinformation out there. Thanks for your response.

  • Rapidfire

    Sorry you feel that way. I hope you enjoy the music anyways.

  • Rapidfire

    About 12 years ago.

  • Rapidfire

    Im under no illusions,

  • Rapidfire

    Actually it was just TheAxlTapes.com, so maybe if you could even get your one fact straight you would be credible. Sam, sorry you are so pissed over the whole thing, Im glad to know that I can count on you to pirate a copy because you know you want to hear it.. Chill out its just an old demo that a few collectors may want to hear, just not you, but there are alot who want to hear it. Seriously Im sorry it pisses you off so much. Have a great day.

  • Sam

    Your interview here is full of inaccuracies, you contradict yourself and make insinuations about some shady dealings. On top of that it doesn’t matter whether it was theaxltapes.com or the axlrosetapes.com your intention to exploit for personal gain stays the same.Riding coat tails seems to be your agenda here, that’s more than clear and has been from the beginning of this little caper.
    Nice insinuation that i’d stoop to burning this nonsense illegally, but dead wrong-Im more than willing and able to pay for what interests me, I don’t have to rip people off or use people, I’ve got a code of honor I adhere to.
    You ought to try it sometime.

  • Sam

    Guess honesty and integrity is beyond your grasp too.
    Honestly nobody cares enough about this to freaking pirate it, you overestimate it’s importance, and just because you have no qualms about exploiting people and using chicanery for personal gain doesnt mean everyone is like that, some of us have self-respect and consciences, not to mention souls.

  • Sam

    So you started trying to underhandedly market this when you found it in 2002? Just what do you consider coat tail riding? Your interpretation sure varies from mine.

  • Rapidfire

    Ok Sam you win. You know you’ll listen. Have a great life.

  • Rapidfire

    Have a nice day Sam.

  • Rapidfire

    Sorry our definitions differ. You are an upstanding pillar of society and I admire your integrity and honour. You are awesome and I strive to have morals such as yours. Sam….. lighten up.

  • Sam

    Have zero intentions nor interest in this, heard all of this type music I cared to in the 80′s
    And I refuse to buy or listen to this on principal alone. Enjoy your blood money.

  • Rapidfire

    Thanks.

  • Sam

    You are dead wrong, got no interest in your exploitation racket. Heard all the garage hair bands I wanted in the 80′s and you have gone about this entire venture in a sneaky, dishonest, dishonorable manner.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Blood money? LOL, you do realize this is just music – right? This guy owns the rights to the songs, so he has every right to sell them to the public. Was it “blood money” for Axl to release songs like Better and Shacklers since they were co-written by guys who aren’t in the band anymore?

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Sure. BUT did you not see the part where this was his band, he wrote the songs, and Axl signed off on letting Kevin keep the songs? He 100% owns the recordings. So because Axl became famous, that means the legal owner of the songs isn’t allowed to sell them anymore??? LOL – seriously? What about Axl selling songs on his last CD that contain members who aren’t in GnR anymore? Were you upset with that as well? Should Better and Shacklers NOT have been on CD because Buckethead and Robin Finck were no longer in the band? I’m sure the couple grand this guy is going to make isn’t going to hurt Axl’s feelings.

  • Sam

    The entire debaucle of Kevin trying to make money off this has been misleading and dishonest from the time it started, if he hadn’t been attempting to use images he had no legal right to and hadn’t been attempting to cash in on GNRs by advertising it as theaxltapes.com for example, he most likely could have released it by now.

    The entire time it has been an attempt to profit mightily by using GNR fans, trying to use the GNR name, it has been both flaky and deceptive in nature.

    A lot of people will be glad when Kevin’s 15 minutes of fame by proxy are up and he fades back into the woodwork.

  • Rapidfire

    Thanks for the clear logic.Hairmetalmusic.com

  • pieindasky

    Axl didn’t call back to get a copy. I’m sure Axl would be nice to Kevin but explain nicely that he needs to approve things with his name on it. He is no longer using Bill Bailey and that is the only name legally linked to the Rapidfire demos. The interest in hearing these demos for the fans is 99.99% to hear Axl. I’m sure Kevin has a few friends/family interested in his contributions.

    Robin and Buckethead WANT their name linked to CD. Axl is the selling point there too so that’s a weak point.

  • pieindasky

    Duuude! Chiiiiilll.

    Axl is the big draw here. Let him decide how his name is used. Kevin can use “Bill Bailey” only and there should be no confusion.

    Did you hear the Buckethead and Robin had an issue?
    No you didn’t nor did lawyers ask Axl not to use those names.

  • pieindasky

    I see it was cleared up here but that interviewer was trying to twist your words. Axl’s cool and you sound like your trying to do the decent thing. Keep it respectable and people will respond favorable. No gimmicks, no veiled comments. I think you should have sent one to Axl even if he didn’t call you back.

  • pieindasky

    Kevin has the rights so the only thing lawyers could object to is marketing “Axl Rose” instead of the rightful “Bill Bailey”. Am I missing something?

  • ElectricGypsy

    you found the tapes a few years ago… perhaps you lost them long ago. that’s unclear.

    i find it hard to believe you’re trying to ride coattails in 2014 when you should have done so in 1994, or sooner. you couldn’t have lost the masters in the 80s, could you? even if you did, whatever you’re going to net from the release of this can’t be that much, and probably won’t be worth all the trouble you’re going through to release it.

    the irony is that at least one person is bitter you’re releasing these songs in 2014 when most of us who were big GNR fans don’t even give a crap about GNR any more. you’re going to reach a small contingent of diehard GNR fans, at most, and yet Sam is so bitter. i just don’t get that.

  • Rapidfire

    If a few old die hards enjoy hearing their favourite singer in his first recordings I’ll be happy. You’re right, the money and hassle will most likely not pay off, but its a cool piece of history that after all these years of promising have to deliver. As for Sam….. I don’t know. But he is entitled to his opinions and dislike of what Im doing. Many people will appreciate the historical significance, and if I make my investment back, all the better. If not, it still, I believe should be out there.

  • Rapidfire

    If at the time I knew how to get hold of him I would have. I have sent him several personal letters through his lawyers to make sure that he hears this before it goes out and is ok with it. He doesn’t respond so I have to assume he really doesnt care and knows that lawfully I have the right to release this. Anyway for 11 years I have tried to “please Axl.” to no response so let’s hear it already I say.

  • Rapidfire

    Nomative fair use. Research it.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Sam – I didn’t know anything about the illegal use of images. If so, that’s not cool.
    Rapidfire – did you ever contact Axl and see if he wanted to purchase the tapes or see what he thought about you releasing them?
    I get some of Sam’s points – though he is being a little outrageous with the claims of blood money as these are just a couple old songs and aren’t going to hurt Axl’s career at all. And I’d imagine Rapid will only make a couple thousand bucks out of the deal.
    Sam, do you feel like these are going to somehow hurt or hinder Axl’s music career? And has Axl publically commented on the songs? It just seems like Axl wouldn’t care that much. He knows that Rapidfire owns the songs, so what would his main point of anger be about it? He could probably take Rapid to court and keep these from being released.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Axl should have sent Rapid a check for 10 grand to buy the songs, and then released them on the official GnR website for free, or as B-side on the singles on the next GnR album. Fans of GnR are really desperate to hear new music. Anybody know when the follow up to Chinese Democracy (a masterpiece imo) is set to be released?

  • Rapidfire

    Yes I sent several letters as well as letters to his attorneys offering up the music. Again… no response. I seriously have tried everything to get in touch and have an old friend to friend chat but been snubbed at every effort. I did learn ALOT about the legality of what Im doing, Nomitive fair use of using any TM in a descriptive way, and what everyone’s rights are. Ive gone far and am going far beyond what I need to do to please Mr Bailey and more importantantly the trademark and copyright laws of the United States. I have all my copyrights in order, I wrote all the songs, paid for, produced and played on it, and have all photos and master recordings in my possession. No reason I cant legally put it on the open market. Only Axl will hinder Axl’s career, not a 5 song demo. By the way, he sounds great in it.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Cool man. Can’t wait to hear it.

  • Sam

    Since kevin has been trying to market this music, he has continually attempted to include a “picture pack” and even sell Tshirts- the issue of image rights is fairly complicated and varies from state to state.
    The issue isn’t the content, per se- it is the dishonesty and scheming that Kevin has attempted in trying to market-not release- but market this music.
    The fact that he habitually refers to his former bandmate by a PKA shows contempt and blatant disrespect.
    If all the proceedings had been honest and not rife and ripe with dishonesty, chicanery and contempt there is no doubt it would be over and done with – Kevin Schwartz could fade back into the woodwork or climb back under his rock- whichever is applicable.

    No disrespect nor slam against you hairmetal- just stating facts.

  • Sam

    You have been attempting to market this for several years now in one form or another and you have been shut down effectively because you insist on inclusion of “extras” and try to not only ride the coat tails but exploit a one time association.
    Not to be an ahole but frankly nobody cares that you played on this Kevin. The songs are not groundbreaking, commercially viable or evem good- Nobody is interested in seeing your picture, The only interest coming from anyone is because of your former frontman who you continually refer to in a contemptuous and disrespectful manner by a pka.

    Had you gone about this in an honorable and courteous manner you may have not experienced some of the legalities that you basically brought upon yourself because you were ill-informed,greedy or both.

    You can attempt to justify this, and invent reasons for your actions, words and behavior concerning this matter but it all basically boils down to you simply trying to take advantage and capitalise on the situation thereby maximizing your monetary gain at other peoples expenses.

  • Sam

    There are reasons you haven’t been able to market this as you originally intended and have encountered legal opposition. If it were as cut and dry as you try to portray you would have been able to release it years ago.

  • Sam

    Quite frankly it isnt worth 10k, the songs arent remarkable, aren’t commercially viable, the lyrics aren’t great and any interest it draws is for one reason alone.
    Mr.Schwartz could have released this years ago to collectors if he had gone about it in an honest and forthcoming manner, without all the shenanigans and maneuvering.

  • Sam

    Not bitter at all, I simply am opposed to the way this has been handled over the years, and the attempts to attach greater significance to it then it actually has by scheming and less than honest attempts to cash in on the sensationalistic drama kevin has created.

  • Sam

    If the legalities were that clear and cut and dry kevin would have encountered no legal difficulties and could have marketed it much sooner-

  • I.P. Freely

    You know what’s really lame? When the interviewee feels the need to contribute 50% of the comments after the interview. As though he needs to police everyone, and jam his thoughts down our throats. Talk about taking the fun out of this site…

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Nobody forces you to read the comments section though, right?
    He isn’t trying to police anybody, he is sharing his thoughts – just like we are.
    Man, why do people take these things so seriously? It’s just rock and roll people. Chill out.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    I haven’t heard them yet.
    I’m not expecting the songs to be that amazing. I’m just a huge Axl Rose fan and would love to hear any new recordings of his – even if they are from his early days.
    Sam, how come this bothers you so much (if you don’t mind me asking)? These are just a few songs that Axl sang on when he was a young singer, but you seem to take great offense to it. If Axl doesn’t care enough to respond or to take the guy to court, how come it is having such an effect on you personally? I ask that respectfully. I imagine this guy is only going to make a couple grand off it. Axl doesn’t seem to care. And fans get to here some old recordings of a singer they love. Doesn’t seem like that big of a deal?

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Sam – no offense taken!
    Your point of view has made me think about a couple things that weren’t part of my initial thought process when thinking about this release.

  • Sam

    Nah, I’ll refrain from chilling out, backing off, and wont be giving anyone a free pass to exploit and run their mouths at other’s expense.
    You may turn a blind eye to this but I just refuse.

  • Sam

    Why do you persist in using a pka Mr.Schwartz? It comes off as you having contempt and being disrespectful.

  • Sam

    Sure, I will lighten up as soon as you start painting an accurate picture of the legalities that have gone on and your attempts to attatch images to this music marketing scheme that you had no legal rights to. Nominative use my @ss.

  • Sam

    Thats good to know hair metal, the legal wrangling surrounding this has gone on for years and Kevin has not been upfront nor honest in his attempts to market it.

  • Sam

    The main reason you want this marketed is for bucks and to keep on garnering attention from GNR fans. You have engaged and attempted shoddy and shady merchandising attempts in relation to this music. The entire escapade has reflected very badly on you.

  • Richard Peel

    It’s tragic but IMO not related to GnR success directly or indirectly. He passed away so many years later in ’91 after moving back home. Happy ppl find a reason to be happy. Depressed ppl same. Other things can fulfill a person besides being in a band. I hope at least.

  • Richard Peel

    I don’t think a judge would rule this an exception for many reasons. What case would you present to court to show it was Axl’s image with the Bill Bailey name? The styles were so different.

  • Richard Peel

    Radidfire -Sure you have a right to release it and sure fans want to hear anything connected to Axl but do it respectfully since Axl seems not interested in hearing this again or it going to his fans. I think you are being reasonable here by discussing it but the past was a little shady and maybe you were misguided. I’m sorry your friend and lawyer passed away. I’m sure he was great. I’m sorry you lost money. TO SUM THIS UP– The lawyers on Axl’s side sound reasonable. To market this using Axl Rose would confuse fans and it is not keeping up with his image. He did this project for a short period (3 months?) and did not pursue it opting for a more distinguished original style and image. So going forward no lawyers or Axl delayed this but the marketing did. Admit that and stay above board and things will go find and you will reach the diehards and we can all move on.

  • I.P. Freely

    Correct, nobody forces me to read the comments. I choose to because I like to. However, Kevin had ample opportunity to share his thoughts in the interview, and many many comments afterwards. But there is a point where it is too much. BTW, I do not take this so seriously, I am chilled out, and I am well aware that this is rock in roll. Was just posting one comment about my thoughts, which is what a comments section is for. I think you read that comment with a tone that wasn’t there. It’s okay, not everyone can be smart.

  • I.P. Freely

    Exactly. Kevin feels as though this is a “must have” for all Guns N Roses fans. Sounds like a sales pitch. As a mega Guns N Roses fan, I feel no need to buy music that Axl hasn’t even heard, and walked away from days after recording it.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    It’s all good Sam – everybody can do whatever they want! I’m not the police on here. Just out of curiosity, why is this such an important issue for you? I ask that with all due respect. You seem very angry about this release, are you somehow personally effected or involved?

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Cool I.P.
    Sorry if my post sounded harsh.

  • Hairmetalmusic.com

    Wow. Sounds like a crazy situation. Would be nice to hear what Axl Rose’s feelings are on the situation.

  • NihonFan

    Curious, why do you refer to him as Schwartz? He changed his name to Lawrence. I previously asked as the image of the tape said Schwartz and Mr Lawrence explained he changed the name.

  • Sam

    Mr Schwartz is referring to his former band vocalist by a p.k.a. so I was merely following his example, and extending that non-courtesy his way.

  • Sam

    Thank you hairmetal, hope to converse with you again sometime.

  • Rocky Stradlin

    I know about his addiction. The friend who was with him when He killed himself, says that He was depressed in a way because GN’R success.

  • Rocky Stradlin

    I love Chinese Democracy too :D

  • NYC1977

    Why is $20,000 needed to put this on CD? There are major CD-making companies (I won’t name them since I don’t want to look like a salesman) that can make plenty of CDs and nice booklets for nowhere remotely close to that cost. Really, $20k?